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FE Silencers
« on: September 01, 2008, 04:49:45 pm »
Can anyone give me a first hand opinion on the best 'replica' silencers for my FE restoration? I know of 3 manufacturers, Sito, Marving and MIVV. Are there others? Which makes the most faithfull replica of the original? Stock silencers are as rare as hens teeth nowadays and the only new one I have found was a RHS single silencer going for £300!!!!So replicas it has to be, but which one!!![?]
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 07:03:42 pm »
hi scratcher,the "replica"silensers on my vf are made by busso and was bought from david silvers about four years ago, i think they were about £150 for the pair, bet they've gon up now,if they still make them. Dont know how close to the originals they are but thers a couple of pic's of the vf in the gallory..

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 07:13:13 pm »
Hi Chris....got a pair of MIVV's from Dai Silvers about 3 years ago...the price went up to £150 after I bought mine...I would say that they are as good as the originals....
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 08:09:01 pm »
I mailed DS and he has only a rhs Busso(!)remaining, and I can't find another source for em. He does have MIVV silencers still, and they're now around the £200 mark with VAT and P&P! I don't suppose anyone knows whether the black chrome finish can be re-done on my original stock silencers? They are in good useable nick, just got that ageing patina about them.
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 07:55:11 pm »
I've got some rough dimensions for the MIVVs, Sito and Marving pipes and having compared them all to my stock ones, none match the originals! Both the MIVV and the Marving silencers are 65mm(2.5ins) shorter than stock, so the end of the pipe will stop just past the rear wheel spindle. They do however, have the same outside diameter at the tail, 115mm. The Sito silencers are exactly the same length as stock, but for some reason, have a smaller end diameter, only 106mm, which is 9mm narrower than stock, which could make them appear slightly thinner. It would appear that the Busso brand that vf pete has are no longer available, Dave Silver only has a single rhs one left, so I don't know what their dimensions are.
Therefore, it seems that to match the originals as closely as possible, which is the aim, I'll have to go for the Sito pipes cos they're the nearest to the stock for length and only a tad narrower at the tail end and I think that would be less noticeable than a whole 2.5 inches short in overall length.
Of course, if anyone knows how and where I can restore my stock silencers 'black chrome' finish, then I'm all ears!!
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 02:21:33 pm »
Hi all,just my tuppence worth re the MIVV pipes.I fitted a set to our BolDor at the begining of the year and I thought they looked the part until we had one trip oop north and rode 300 miles of snow and salt covered roads.On our return I washed her down to find the the black chrome very badly pitted and what was left had gone dull.So I now have a set of pipes 2.5" shorter than standard that look 20 years old.Regards Bif

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 02:54:34 pm »
Cheers for that bif, interesting. Though I don't expect to be using the bike in winter it is a good indicator of the durability or otherwise of the product. What with your experiences along with the shorter appearance, I think Mivvs are off the list now! Has anyone any experience of the Sito's?
 Honestly, I'd rather replate my originals, but as yet I haven't found a definitive answer to whether that's possible.
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 05:15:07 am »
When I bought my BolD'or, it was equipped with MIVV's, and as Bif said they were too short. The silencers in my bike were also re-painted because of rust, so the Quality might be not so good. I have measurement drawings of both Sito and MIVV, and your notes are right, other too short, other too skinny... When built my bike, I got one original silencer from Wentsch&Klink in Germany, and the other one was bought in Japan by a friend. This was three years ago, and several Honda dealers (Importer here in Finland, David Silver, CMSNL in Netherlands etc.) told me that the part is discontinued, and no more available. Today CMSNL has anyway some originals available, but the price is extreme, you can have a look at www.cmsnl.com
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 01:56:24 pm »
Yeah, I seen that. They only have a right hand silencer at 290 euros! They have no left side silencers at all.
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 05:02:57 pm »
So they do list 3 types of left mufflers, but do not have them ?
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 05:57:21 pm »
So they do list 3 types of left mufflers, but do not have them ?

I went on their site today and I can only find one part number for each of the silencers, so I don't know how you have 3?! Also they list only 1 remaining right-side silencer, and none of the left-side. Am I using the correct site? It only has details of the American VF1000F 'Interceptor' and the VF1000R models. It doesn't recognise the FE.
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-vf1000f-84-1000-interceptor-us_model1117/partslist/F++20.html
 

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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 04:43:56 am »
I tried the parts number search: 18330-MB6 and 18430-MB6 , and got more results. Still only one for FE (according to parts fiche XXXXX-MB6-611 is the correct one for FE in English markets) and it is for US and Australian markets. I could find one pair listed, last three digits 930, which are for FF or F2F for Swiss markets. When buying MIVVS or other aftermarket mufflers, they sell same product for both FE and F2F, so I assume, that the differences between mufflers are not so big. Maybe worth of comparing, I have never had an opportunity to compare FE and my own bike's mufflers side by side. As I bought my BolD'or it was equipped with MIVV's, left footrest bracket was original and right was from FE, which made the angle of silencers different: the ends were on different height.  When searched exhaust to my 750S, I got one muffler from Germany, and when asked the other one from David Silver, they told me (after asking the frame number), that it will not fit. I bought it anyway, and found out, that only visible difference were the warning texts, and that was good enough for me.
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 01:17:47 pm »
Thank you dnapekko, I hadn't tried the part number search. Only the model search. Might be possible to buy a pair of matching stock silencers from those part numbers, but VERY expensive!!!
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 04:54:50 pm »
Expensive yes. When I bought silencers to 750S (and even not from these dutch robbers), the value of bike tripled, at least. And now I am hunt for a collector to it, it does not look promising. Good luck with your hunting.
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Re: FE Silencers
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 05:39:43 pm »
There is a shop on ebay selling a used VF750 complete exhaust system, item number, 220279152977. May help you? I think they are for the F model, but the collector may fit the S? As to the Swiss silencers on cmsnl, the part number is unique to the Swiss model, whereas the other numbers share markets, so there may be internal baffling for national noise/power limits. I do not know whether Switzerland had these restrictions in the 1980s, so cannot be sure.